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toon who is a gifted art educator here

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toon who is a gifted art educator here
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in Missoula at Big Sky high school and

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this it's not it's so simple I don't get
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the simplicity here and there's nothing
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an avenue to talk about art history yeah

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an avenue to talk about art history yeah
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you know what where did this come from

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you know what where did this come from
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yeah did you just go baby yeah Robert

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yeah did you just go baby yeah Robert
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boards you know no it came from a from a

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boards you know no it came from a from a
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discipline it came from a history and

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discipline it came from a history and
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reacting to that history I I'm really

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reacting to that history I I'm really
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glad you brought that up because I think

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glad you brought that up because I think
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instead of us looking at art in ways

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is the kind of art that I like mm-hmm

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is the kind of art that I like mm-hmm
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you know many people come up with that
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you know I liked this and in some ways I

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you know I liked this and in some ways I
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just begged people to set that aside and

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just begged people to set that aside and
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just look and realize that there's lots

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just look and realize that there's lots
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of different kinds of art and just wrap

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of different kinds of art and just wrap
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your mind around the fact that you can

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like many different kinds of art all at

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like many different kinds of art all at
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the same time and you know it's like

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the same time and you know it's like
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literature you know where music or music

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literature you know where music or music
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when they limit themselves and say this

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when they limit themselves and say this
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is the only kind of art I like yeah so

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is the only kind of art I like yeah so
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anyway that's that's what that's why I

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anyway that's that's what that's why I
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like to open up with that we should

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like to open up with that we should
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probably move on now I brought this up

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because Morris is famous for talking

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because Morris is famous for talking
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about the non objectivity of the work

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about the non objectivity of the work
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again the ephemeral it changes and stuff

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and we're bringing it down to brass

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and we're bringing it down to brass
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tacks people it is felt and I've folded

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tacks people it is felt and I've folded
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it now Robert Morris is also known for

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it now Robert Morris is also known for
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his process art and dance and I think

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his process art and dance and I think
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you can see dance in this you know what

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you can see dance in this you know what
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I'm saying yeah I mean I think there's

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dance in this but you know what else I

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dance in this but you know what else I
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can't help it Steve I'm drawn to

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can't help it Steve I'm drawn to
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narrative now he may not like it yeah

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narrative now he may not like it yeah
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Donald Judd might not like it those guys

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might not like it but I'm always as a

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might not like it but I'm always as a
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story no this is vulva like yeah the

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female genitalia yeah I mean I can't

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think formally there's all there's
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the strength of the form and you know
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the the sculptural aspect of it it's
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yeah and I see dance in here I'm gonna
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be a story behind it I have to look at

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be a story behind it I have to look at
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it and think of a vulva no you I don't I

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it and think of a vulva no you I don't I
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can move through it and actually think

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can move through it and actually think
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of the materials like the color field

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of the materials like the color field
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painters have made you with their

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painters have made you with their
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paintings I don't know but the fact is

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paintings I don't know but the fact is
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I'm gonna move into this idea of what do

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I'm gonna move into this idea of what do
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I bring yeah when I look at art I have

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I bring yeah when I look at art I have
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no choice but to bring a desire for

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no choice but to bring a desire for
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narrative yeah I need it yeah I need to

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narrative yeah I need it yeah I need to
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read I need I need comic books I need I

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read I need I need comic books I need I
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need something a story in the visual art

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need something a story in the visual art
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and as we've just demonstrated I look at

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and as we've just demonstrated I look at
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that Robert Morris and I want to tell a

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that Robert Morris and I want to tell a
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story about it yeah yeah it's hard for

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story about it yeah yeah it's hard for
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me to break it into Gestalt as you would

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me to break it into Gestalt as you would
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call the the rudimentary forms that

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call the the rudimentary forms that
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exist in all life you know it's very

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exist in all life you know it's very
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that's protonic because conversation

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that's protonic because conversation
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about it would be purely in those terms

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about it would be purely in those terms
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that's right and it's so hard for me but

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that's right and it's so hard for me but
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I need to do it's challenging it's good

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I need to do it's challenging it's good
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for me yeah because it's going to

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for me yeah because it's going to
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different like you leaving up to your

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different like you leaving up to your
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interpretation to and he's probably

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interpretation to and he's probably
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leaving that open-ended so let's look at

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leaving that open-ended so let's look at
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another image because I know you brought

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another image because I know you brought
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in several you know yeah you know

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in several you know yeah you know
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growing up with young parents I was very

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growing up with young parents I was very
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fortunate you know they brought me to

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fortunate you know they brought me to
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Montana Whitefish Montana when I was

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Montana Whitefish Montana when I was
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less than 1 years old I was born in

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less than 1 years old I was born in
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Dayton Washington and their young

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Dayton Washington and their young
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parents and they had music man yeah you

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parents and they had music man yeah you
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know and so back in the the 70s early

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know and so back in the the 70s early
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80s music albums and album covers

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80s music albums and album covers
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mattered yeah to my development as a

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mattered yeah to my development as a
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person and I've been making art thinking

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person and I've been making art thinking
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about art since at least five

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about art since at least five
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you know and this is why yeah captain

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you know and this is why yeah captain
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fantastic in the brown dirt cowboy ya

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fantastic in the brown dirt cowboy ya
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know is this I mean do I like Yelton

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know is this I mean do I like Yelton
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John not necessarily but my god I like

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John not necessarily but my god I like
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that album and I did when I was 5 years

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that album and I did when I was 5 years
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old there was some I could sit down and

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old there was some I could sit down and
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look at that album cover I don't know I

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look at that album cover I don't know I
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wasn't like didn't have a watch couldn't

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wasn't like didn't have a watch couldn't
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tell time but it seemed like forever you

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tell time but it seemed like forever you
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know I mean do you have you ever had

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know I mean do you have you ever had
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similar experiences in our culture sure

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similar experiences in our culture sure
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this is a pretty iconic image and do you

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this is a pretty iconic image and do you
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know who did this oh yeah I did the name

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know who did this oh yeah I did the name
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escapes me as a British artist he just

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escapes me as a British artist he just
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died February 17th this year okay

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died February 17th this year okay
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or excuse me February something 2017 I

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or excuse me February something 2017 I
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can't recall his name off the top of my

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can't recall his name off the top of my
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head but you did a whole series during

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head but you did a whole series during
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the 60s and 70s including Beatles Cup

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the 60s and 70s including Beatles Cup
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but what I really like about you

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but what I really like about you
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bringing this end is the fact that you

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bringing this end is the fact that you
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know the last image is showed is a

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know the last image is showed is a
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museum piece and then this image you

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museum piece and then this image you
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bring in is democratic Democratic in the

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bring in is democratic Democratic in the
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way and then it's out there in yeah it's

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way and then it's out there in yeah it's
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got priced out of those stores it has a

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got priced out of those stores it has a
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price tag on it and you know you're not

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price tag on it and you know you're not
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sparking it they're really not selling

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sparking it they're really not selling
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there is selling the music and it's you

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there is selling the music and it's you
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get a ban a fringe benefit a little

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get a ban a fringe benefit a little
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artwork and so it's it's almost free in

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artwork and so it's it's almost free in
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many ways when you think about it and

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many ways when you think about it and
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528
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it's so unlike museum work or gallery

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it's so unlike museum work or gallery
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work and all of a sudden we have this

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work and all of a sudden we have this
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532
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and we have where you're saving it

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and we have where you're saving it
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there's something special inside of it

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there's something special inside of it
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536
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it's an envelope and I think it also

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it's an envelope and I think it also
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538
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goes to the messaging that art is

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goes to the messaging that art is
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everywhere it's not yes something that's

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everywhere it's not yes something that's
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so so far I would agree with that have

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so so far I would agree with that have
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544
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you noticed that in thinking about art

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you noticed that in thinking about art
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history that over time Steve that

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history that over time Steve that
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there's this this propensity this drive

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there's this this propensity this drive

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551
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for art critic

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for art critic
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553
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and art historians to want to think

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and art historians to want to think
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555
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about art in linear terms and also in

556
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about art in linear terms and also in
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557
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terms of movements yeah and we're in

558
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terms of movements yeah and we're in
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559
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such a confusing time with visual art

560
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such a confusing time with visual art
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561
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today where something like that you know

562
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today where something like that you know
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563
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grounder cowboy album cover it means

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grounder cowboy album cover it means
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565
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more than it's the than what it meant in

566
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more than it's the than what it meant in
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567
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in 1975 when it was cut when the album

568
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in 1975 when it was cut when the album
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569
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was caught in here's here's what it

570
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was caught in here's here's what it
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571
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means to me first of all it brings me

572
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means to me first of all it brings me
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573
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back to that it's a time machine it

574
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back to that it's a time machine it
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575
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brings me back to when I was five years

576
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brings me back to when I was five years
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577
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old looking at that album album cover

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old looking at that album album cover
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579
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and it also points to the mass

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and it also points to the mass
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581
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consumerism that's going on today then

582
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consumerism that's going on today then
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583
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we don't even think of with cell phones

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we don't even think of with cell phones
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585
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that were in my pocket right now that I

586
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that were in my pocket right now that I
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587
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look at I could get any an image I want

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look at I could get any an image I want
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589
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and when I went to look up that artists

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and when I went to look up that artists
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591
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name it was on Google you know I read it

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name it was on Google you know I read it
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for three seconds and now it's out of my

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for three seconds and now it's out of my
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mind so what does that say so what does

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mind so what does that say so what does
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597
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that say I mean it really says something

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that say I mean it really says something
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about how we process information how

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about how we process information how
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people see art now and how we consume

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people see art now and how we consume
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603
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things and it's I can in many ways have

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things and it's I can in many ways have
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605
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you shown that image to your students no

606
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you shown that image to your students no
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607
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but I'm going to very much this is the

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but I'm going to very much this is the
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catalyst this is the impetus for

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catalyst this is the impetus for
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leadership to have a little discussion I

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leadership to have a little discussion I
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love the fact that you're mixing up so

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love the fact that you're mixing up so
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many different images and and also

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many different images and and also
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that's one thing I think that in the

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that's one thing I think that in the
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definitely the 60s and 70s there is kind

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definitely the 60s and 70s there is kind
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of the struggle about the narrative

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of the struggle about the narrative
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about the story and about of coming out

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about the story and about of coming out
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625
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of formalism yeah also say you sang to

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of formalism yeah also say you sang to
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627
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artists as a rejection Treach yeah as a

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artists as a rejection Treach yeah as a
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629
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crutch remove yourself from it yeah

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crutch remove yourself from it yeah
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631
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exactly the post modernists are safe

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exactly the post modernists are safe
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633
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well I'll show you remove yourself from

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well I'll show you remove yourself from
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that and I mean they've really removed

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that and I mean they've really removed
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themselves well you know I don't know I

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themselves well you know I don't know I
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think all of it exists all at the same

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think all of it exists all at the same
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time now and it's okay and accessible at

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time now and it's okay and accessible at
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all the same time yeah instantaneous

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all the same time yeah instantaneous
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645
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Ally well let's look at another image

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Ally well let's look at another image
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647
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boy you brought it free some harm Danis

648
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boy you brought it free some harm Danis
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that's the other side there's old Elton

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that's the other side there's old Elton
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John I think that the brown dirt cowboy

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John I think that the brown dirt cowboy
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album is dedicated is like a we talk

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album is dedicated is like a we talk
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about narrative it's a historical source

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about narrative it's a historical source
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of himself and his rider they were

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of himself and his rider they were
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partners and they're theirs himself and

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partners and they're theirs himself and
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there's a symbolic person in the globe

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there's a symbolic person in the globe
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now Steve I I think that you can tell me

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now Steve I I think that you can tell me

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what you think

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what you think
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this particular piece it was inspired by

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this particular piece it was inspired by
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from the from the Northern Renaissance

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from the from the Northern Renaissance
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well it has a reference to her mama

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well it has a reference to her mama
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hieronymus ba it does yeah and that's

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hieronymus ba it does yeah and that's
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what I was thinking I think during this

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what I was thinking I think during this
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particular time was kind of the peak of

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particular time was kind of the peak of
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Salvador Dali's influence and popularity

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Salvador Dali's influence and popularity
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and he of course was it might have been

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and he of course was it might have been
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the commercial height of surrealism what

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the commercial height of surrealism what
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in the early seventies I would say so

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in the early seventies I would say so
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yeah just a sure and in mass production

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yeah just a sure and in mass production
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of books two of these people so that

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of books two of these people so that
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people the everyday layman could have

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people the everyday layman could have
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access now and that should be it should

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access now and that should be it should
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be said since you brought that up Steve

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be said since you brought that up Steve
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that it's interesting yeah that people

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that it's interesting yeah that people
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had a an appetite for it yeah and they

701
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had a an appetite for it yeah and they
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still do despite what Clement Greenberg

703
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still do despite what Clement Greenberg
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might say about kitsch okay yeah this is

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might say about kitsch okay yeah this is
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this there's an appetite for this yeah

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this there's an appetite for this yeah
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and there was no fear of it being

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and there was no fear of it being
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tasteless you know which is Clement what

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tasteless you know which is Clement what
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Clement Greenberg all right yeah there

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Clement Greenberg all right yeah there
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was no fear of it because they're moving

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was no fear of it because they're moving
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716
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also this is Vietnam War era and protest

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also this is Vietnam War era and protest
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movement we're talking about an epic

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movement we're talking about an epic
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period of division and polarization in

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period of division and polarization in
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the United States of America at the time

723
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the United States of America at the time
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724
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and I think that the art that that

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and I think that the art that that
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carefree surrealistic and then moving

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carefree surrealistic and then moving
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728
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back to this the symbolist themselves

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back to this the symbolist themselves
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730
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sure it mattered to young people well

731
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sure it mattered to young people well
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732
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and I think another related and maybe

733
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and I think another related and maybe
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734
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you know we should just

735
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you know we should just
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736
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temper this before we move on to the

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temper this before we move on to the
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738
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next but there was a lot of drug use

739
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next but there was a lot of drug use
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that related to the psychedelic art of

741
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that related to the psychedelic art of
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742
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its day so that probably fed into it you

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its day so that probably fed into it you
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could as I did when I was five six seven

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could as I did when I was five six seven
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746
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you can look at this for hours yeah and

747
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you can look at this for hours yeah and
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748
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I suspect that when you add you know a

749
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I suspect that when you add you know a
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750
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substance to that yeah that might make

751
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substance to that yeah that might make
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752
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it more interesting yeah I tell you I'm

753
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it more interesting yeah I tell you I'm
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just you brought these images and just

755
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just you brought these images and just
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primarily because you enjoy talking

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primarily because you enjoy talking
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about them not because it's like your

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about them not because it's like your
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760
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top ten yeah no no I'm glad you

761
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top ten yeah no no I'm glad you
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clarified that I I brought him in

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clarified that I I brought him in
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764
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because I was thinking you know what I

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because I was thinking you know what I
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766
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just love talking about art yeah and

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just love talking about art yeah and
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then I break it down and this is what is

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then I break it down and this is what is
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it and how do I speak about it that's

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it and how do I speak about it that's
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why this show is so important and I'm

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why this show is so important and I'm
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glad and I'm honored to be on it yeah

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glad and I'm honored to be on it yeah
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776
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I'm really happy to be here with you

777
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I'm really happy to be here with you
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talking about art art that I like yeah

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talking about art art that I like yeah
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that I hope you like to go I have

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that I hope you like to go I have
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enjoying this you have another image

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enjoying this you have another image
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784
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there okay yeah you you move back in

785
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there okay yeah you you move back in
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time a little bit in the 20th century

787
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time a little bit in the 20th century
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and particularly in Europe and you're

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and particularly in Europe and you're
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gonna find an artist by the name of

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gonna find an artist by the name of
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Franz von stuck and this image is this

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Franz von stuck and this image is this
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iconic image and I'm talking about icons

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iconic image and I'm talking about icons
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is the story again narratives telling a

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is the story again narratives telling a
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story is the story of Judith and

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story is the story of Judith and
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Holofernes and this is a biblical tale

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Holofernes and this is a biblical tale
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the Catholics Catholicism views this as

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the Catholics Catholicism views this as
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actually canonical it's a part of the

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actually canonical it's a part of the
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the new test or the Old Testament Canon

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the new test or the Old Testament Canon
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and Protestant Christians view it as

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and Protestant Christians view it as
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apocryphal the story but you'll find

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apocryphal the story but you'll find
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this image or some kind of a modified

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this image or some kind of a modified
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version of this image throughout the

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version of this image throughout the
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Renaissance all the way through the

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Renaissance all the way through the
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modern period and in fact images like

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modern period and in fact images like
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this the femme fatale is what they would

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this the femme fatale is what they would
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call this on the continent the femme

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call this on the continent the femme
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824
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fatale image it's a theme it's

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fatale image it's a theme it's
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pneumatic yeah they're going back in

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pneumatic yeah they're going back in
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time and talking about the widow

829
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time and talking about the widow
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Holofernes I don't need to necessarily

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Holofernes I don't need to necessarily
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go through the story I want you to look

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go through the story I want you to look
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834
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at the picture look at what's happening

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at the picture look at what's happening
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you there's so much going on here and

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you there's so much going on here and
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once we talk about the narrative we can

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once we talk about the narrative we can
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talk about the formal aspect yeah

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talk about the formal aspect yeah
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well as the I just want to reference a

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well as the I just want to reference a
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couple things in the story and she shows

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couple things in the story and she shows
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up to meet him obviously and she's

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up to meet him obviously and she's
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scantily clad and and smelling good too

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scantily clad and and smelling good too
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and probably perfumes smelling good she

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and probably perfumes smelling good she
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gets him really drunk because she's

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gets him really drunk because she's
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asked and he was the favorite general of

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asked and he was the favorite general of
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the Assyrian King Nebuchadnezzar and she

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the Assyrian King Nebuchadnezzar and she
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was a widow and she you know some people

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was a widow and she you know some people
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have observed that it's about it's about

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have observed that it's about it's about
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virtue over Vice also yeah and also

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virtue over Vice also yeah and also
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empowerment and it certainly land itself

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empowerment and it certainly land itself
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into that symbolist movement of the late

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into that symbolist movement of the late
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19th century and early 20th century why

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19th century and early 20th century why
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am i bringing these symbolist in here

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am i bringing these symbolist in here
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Steve because they have narrative they

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Steve because they have narrative they
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have stories and I'm drawn to it

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have stories and I'm drawn to it
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personally yeah I don't know maybe it's

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personally yeah I don't know maybe it's
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my Norwegian Viking roots I want to tell

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my Norwegian Viking roots I want to tell
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a tale or read with some you know what

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a tale or read with some you know what
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some Mead I don't know what it is but I

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some Mead I don't know what it is but I
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have to have a story and those symbolist

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have to have a story and those symbolist
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886
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did you such a great job of it yeah well

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did you such a great job of it yeah well
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888
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and I think it brings to light the fact

889
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and I think it brings to light the fact
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890
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that you know I think many times people

891
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that you know I think many times people
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892
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think of the Bible as being a completely

893
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think of the Bible as being a completely
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894
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positive document but there there's so

895
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positive document but there there's so
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896
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much violence sexuality and inhumanity

897
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much violence sexuality and inhumanity
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898
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yeah that was just that is in the Bible

899
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yeah that was just that is in the Bible
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900
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and you know there are difficult dishes

901
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and you know there are difficult dishes
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902
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so when artists are inspired to create

903
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so when artists are inspired to create
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904
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these images to also tell the story in a

905
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these images to also tell the story in a
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906
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visual way you know you cannot discount

907
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visual way you know you cannot discount
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908
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the fact that for most of our human

909
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the fact that for most of our human
history

910
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history

911
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history
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912
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majority of people were not literate

913
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majority of people were not literate
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914
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yeah so the visual arts created this way

915
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yeah so the visual arts created this way
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916
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of right telling a story as shocking as

917
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of right telling a story as shocking as
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918
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it may be just like this story and

919
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it may be just like this story and
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920
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through illuminated manuscripts and

921
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through illuminated manuscripts and
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922
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stained glass in the cathedral all these

923
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stained glass in the cathedral all these
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924
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ways to tell the illiterate the story

925
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ways to tell the illiterate the story
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926
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the narrative the mythology yeah and

927
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the narrative the mythology yeah and

928
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929
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it's so wonderful

930
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it's so wonderful
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931
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I especially now let's talk formal this

932
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I especially now let's talk formal this
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933
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is a beautiful painting it's got this

934
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is a beautiful painting it's got this
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935
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wonderful vertical format to it it's

936
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wonderful vertical format to it it's
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937
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it's very pick in terms of picked horse

938
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it's very pick in terms of picked horse
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939
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pictorial space he's laid out in

940
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pictorial space he's laid out in
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941
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foreshortening she's very tall look at

942
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foreshortening she's very tall look at
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943
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her edge and there's there's that

944
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her edge and there's there's that
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945
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suggested movement of the sword that

946
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suggested movement of the sword that
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947
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breaks free from the picture plane then

948
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breaks free from the picture plane then
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949
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you've got that wonderful V the Sacred

950
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you've got that wonderful V the Sacred
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951
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Feminine down there and it's so soft yet

952
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Feminine down there and it's so soft yet
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953
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there's the the pigments are like jewels

954
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there's the the pigments are like jewels
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955
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if you actually get up and look at the

956
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if you actually get up and look at the
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957
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surface beautiful painting beautiful

958
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surface beautiful painting beautiful
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959
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pattern beautiful bankroll thanks for

960
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pattern beautiful bankroll thanks for
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961
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bringing that in let's look at another

962
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bringing that in let's look at another
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963
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one moving along the lines of symbolist

964
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one moving along the lines of symbolist
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965
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you know this is gustave moreau famous

966
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you know this is gustave moreau famous
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967
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sim lists operating in the in the late

968
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sim lists operating in the in the late
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969
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19th century this particular piece right

970
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19th century this particular piece right
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971
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here is approximately a hundred and

972
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here is approximately a hundred and

973
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974
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forty years old

975
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forty years old
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976
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:08,000
and why do I say it like that you know

977
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,090
and why do I say it like that you know
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978
00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:10,100
you look at artwork in books and stuff I

979
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you look at artwork in books and stuff I
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980
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actually photographed this out of one of

981
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actually photographed this out of one of
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982
00:24:15,820 --> 00:24:15,830
my books on on symbolism yeah published

983
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my books on on symbolism yeah published
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984
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by passion and I did the best job I

985
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by passion and I did the best job I
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986
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could there's a little flashing on the

987
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could there's a little flashing on the
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988
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top of the picture but you know 140

989
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top of the picture but you know 140
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990
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years why do I say that not just the

991
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years why do I say that not just the
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992
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date of 1876 number seven

993
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date of 1876 number seven
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994
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well because often times we don't think

995
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well because often times we don't think
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996
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about the context of which it was made

997
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about the context of which it was made
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998
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and this is really operating at the same

999
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and this is really operating at the same
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1000
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time right before or right around the

1001
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time right before or right around the
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1002
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,050
same time that that the French is moving

1003
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same time that that the French is moving
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1004
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:50,030
away the French painter is moving away

1005
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away the French painter is moving away
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1006
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from objectivity and representational as

1007
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from objectivity and representational as
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1008
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in a way that's different with

1009
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in a way that's different with
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1010
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Impressionism you know we're talking

1011
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Impressionism you know we're talking
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1012
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about the 1870s the first show I think

1013
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:04,580
about the 1870s the first show I think
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1014
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was what 1878 or something something

1015
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:06,560
was what 1878 or something something
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1016
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,570
like that and when you compare it with

1017
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:08,960
like that and when you compare it with
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1018
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:08,970
this this is still stuck not in the

1019
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this this is still stuck not in the
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1020
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Academy tradition very different in the

1021
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Academy tradition very different in the
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1022
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way that that it's painted it's shallow

1023
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way that that it's painted it's shallow
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1024
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there's actually scruffy dough if you

1025
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there's actually scruffy dough if you
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1026
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look on the back of the actual temple

1027
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look on the back of the actual temple
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1028
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walls or scruffy dough a hundred and

1029
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walls or scruffy dough a hundred and
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1030
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forty years the time it was made

1031
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forty years the time it was made
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1032
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mattered the fact that they were talking

1033
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mattered the fact that they were talking
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1034
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about ancient themes if you haven't

1035
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about ancient themes if you haven't
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1036
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figured out what which theme this is

1037
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figured out what which theme this is
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1038
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this is a biblical theme but it's New

1039
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this is a biblical theme but it's New
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1040
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Testament and we're talking about the

1041
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Testament and we're talking about the
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1042
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beheading of Saint John the Baptist and

1043
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beheading of Saint John the Baptist and
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1044
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at the bequest of Salome and you've

1045
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at the bequest of Salome and you've
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1046
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heard that story I mean and so are these

1047
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heard that story I mean and so are these
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1048
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stories being told now this way visually

1049
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stories being told now this way visually
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1050
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not so much I don't think not so much I

1051
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not so much I don't think not so much I
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1052
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don't think they're told different ways

1053
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don't think they're told different ways
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1054
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they're told with literature or movies

1055
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they're told with literature or movies
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1056
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or what-have-you

1057
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or what-have-you
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1058
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although I will say that I've a lot of

1059
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although I will say that I've a lot of
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1060
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people have written about this

1061
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people have written about this
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1062
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particular work through history and I

1063
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particular work through history and I
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1064
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think it continues to be a popular theme

1065
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think it continues to be a popular theme
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1066
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and especially the feminist so oh yeah

1067
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and especially the feminist so oh yeah
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1068
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that idea of the femme fatale yeah and

1069
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that idea of the femme fatale yeah and
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1070
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:27,930
whether or not that was a patriarchal

1071
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whether or not that was a patriarchal
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1072
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system getting its rocks off so to speak

1073
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system getting its rocks off so to speak
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1074
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or if that was one of the earliest forms

1075
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or if that was one of the earliest forms
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1076
00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:37,820
of recognizing the woman as an entity

1077
00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:40,730
of recognizing the woman as an entity
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1078
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:40,740
equal with man sure that's a debatable

1079
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:42,620
equal with man sure that's a debatable
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1080
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subject so I think what you're saying is

1081
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:44,720
subject so I think what you're saying is
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1082
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interesting I just I love that period of

1083
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interesting I just I love that period of
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1084
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:46,740
time and you know yes or no I think we

1085
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time and you know yes or no I think we
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1086
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have time for one more image and right

1087
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have time for one more image and right
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1088
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awesome okay young man Ike okay yes I

1089
00:26:56,610 --> 00:26:57,290
awesome okay young man Ike okay yes I
did

1090
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did

1091
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did
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1092
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yes I did my ancestors are from that is

1093
00:27:01,070 --> 00:27:04,550
yes I did my ancestors are from that is
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1094
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but young man Ike I mean 15th century

1095
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,100
but young man Ike I mean 15th century
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1096
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late 1515

1097
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late 1515
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1098
00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:09,140
century 1400s in other words and this is

1099
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century 1400s in other words and this is
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1100
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:12,110
the Annunciation many people are still

1101
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the Annunciation many people are still
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1102
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:13,820
familiar with the Annunciation who are

1103
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familiar with the Annunciation who are
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1104
00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:15,860
not religious people but they do know

1105
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not religious people but they do know
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1106
00:27:18,940 --> 00:27:18,950
the theme of the angel Gabriel telling

1107
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,400
the theme of the angel Gabriel telling
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1108
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:21,410
the Virgin Mary that she would indeed

1109
00:27:21,410 --> 00:27:23,860
the Virgin Mary that she would indeed
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1110
00:27:23,860 --> 00:27:23,870
bore a child and of course of the

1111
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bore a child and of course of the
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1112
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,090
significance of this child and then you

1113
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:28,330
significance of this child and then you
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1114
00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:28,340
look up in the image and it's again

1115
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,760
look up in the image and it's again
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1116
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:30,770
another vertical format why it was a

1117
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another vertical format why it was a
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1118
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part of an altarpiece it would have been

1119
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:37,080
part of an altarpiece it would have been
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1120
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,090
part of a most likely a triptych or

1121
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part of a most likely a triptych or
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1122
00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:39,559
something like that I can't recall I

1123
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something like that I can't recall I
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1124
00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:41,960
don't remember I saw this at the at the

1125
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,470
don't remember I saw this at the at the
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1126
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Chicago Art Institute and it's always

1127
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,140
Chicago Art Institute and it's always
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1128
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stuck with me ever since then

1129
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stuck with me ever since then
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1130
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1997 when you see a van Eyck in person

1131
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1997 when you see a van Eyck in person
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1132
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is the services are gorgeous the surface

1133
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is the services are gorgeous the surface
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1134
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:56,929
of the painting certain luminosity oh

1135
00:27:56,929 --> 00:28:00,039
of the painting certain luminosity oh
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1136
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:00,049
man how about the use of that oil paint

1137
00:28:00,049 --> 00:28:04,510
man how about the use of that oil paint
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1138
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:04,520
in glaze is extraordinary yeah and also

1139
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,280
in glaze is extraordinary yeah and also
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1140
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:09,290
what's going on here is a really refined

1141
00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:12,159
what's going on here is a really refined
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1142
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:12,169
palette and there's your eye just

1143
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palette and there's your eye just
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1144
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:14,330
bounces around and here and lead you

1145
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:18,130
bounces around and here and lead you
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1146
00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:18,140
throughout the composition and it's just

1147
00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:21,310
throughout the composition and it's just
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1148
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:21,320
wonderful these are timeless this is a

1149
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wonderful these are timeless this is a
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1150
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timeless piece you know it's it's the

1151
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timeless piece you know it's it's the
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1152
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eye even though I'm not sure that you

1153
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eye even though I'm not sure that you
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1154
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know in our day there's there's so much

1155
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know in our day there's there's so much
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1156
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going on there's narratives there's at

1157
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going on there's narratives there's at
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1158
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any given time you can have that what's

1159
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any given time you can have that what's
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1160
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going on to your fingertips

1161
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going on to your fingertips
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1162
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there's human spirituality artists have

1163
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there's human spirituality artists have
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1164
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never stopped dealing with human

1165
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never stopped dealing with human
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1166
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spirituality it's just in our time it

1167
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spirituality it's just in our time it
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1168
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means so many different things than it

1169
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means so many different things than it
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1170
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did in the 1700s yes anyway I want to

1171
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did in the 1700s yes anyway I want to
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1172
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thank you so much for coming in today I

1173
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thank you so much for coming in today I
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1174
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want to thank you

1175
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want to thank you
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1176
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come in again I hope so yeah I love

1177
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come in again I hope so yeah I love
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1178
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talking about RJ well I love talking

1179
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talking about RJ well I love talking
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1180
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about it with you and that's what the

1181
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about it with you and that's what the
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1182
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program and thank you so much I just

1183
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program and thank you so much I just
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1184
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hope people will tune in next time for

1185
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hope people will tune in next time for
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1186
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look

1187
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look
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1188
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before you speak and we have a whole

1189
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before you speak and we have a whole
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1190
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slew of exciting guests coming up and

1191
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slew of exciting guests coming up and
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1192
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hope you tune in again thank you so much

1193
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hope you tune in again thank you so much
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1194
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for doing

1195
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for doing
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